New Pitcher Points Possibility

New Pitcher Points Possibility

This is not yet a proposal. It is simply in a discussion stage. If proposed, then passed, it would be in effect for next year.

If there is not a number in the Holds column, then it was not looked up. Only players with 11 or more holds were recorded.

This is the formula: (W x 10) + (QS x 10) + (SV x 7) + (Hld x 3). These numbers are not etched in stone. Should a QS be worth the same as a Win? Should the Win maybe get 15 and the QS 7? Johnson would gain 120 and lose 96 for a net gain of 24 to 584 points, 2 points better than Bonds the top hitter.

Npts is the New points total, Pts is the current system.

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Who gets helped by this new system? Should the gap between Johnson and Schilling be closed as it was here, or is Johnson's dominant ERA worth something? Should Smoltz and Koch be right there with Pedro?

Ben Sheets goes from 182 to 360, primarily because of his 25 QS's. Does he deserve the huge gain?

Dan Wright goes from 186 to 350 despite a 5+ ERA, Jose Mesa from 215 to 355 with no blows and 2 more pts per save,

Pedro, Randy, and Maddux lost points. Wakefield lost 38 because a 2.81 ERA should have more than 11 wins? Whoops, he had 5 holds so thus he just lost 23 points. Chris Hammond lost 48 points despite 17 holds, with an 0.95 ERA.

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Two new columns have been added since first published, innings pitched and innings points. This is a new idea that uses innings pitched as a big part of the points makeup, because every GM says they are looking for someone who can throw innings. Without it there is not an incentive with the system to fill the 1450 innings requirement for your pitching staff. The formula is as follows: ipts = IP + (W x 7) + (QS x 5) + (SV x 5) + (Hld x 3).

With this system the top 205 pitchers, throwing 29,000 innings (1450 x 20 teams in our league) get 61,000 points. This is far more points than the other two systems, and really closes the gap between hitter points (72,000) and pitcher points. The current point system produces only 37,000 points, and the proposed npts produces 51,000.

Closer points drop a bit between ipts and npts. That could easily be rectified by giving a Save 6 points. Is this good? Let's figure it out. Johnson goes out and pitches 8 shutout innings, gets the win, and picks up W+QS+IP = 7+5+8 = 20 points. Closer pitches one innings and gets the Save and picks up SV+IP = 6+1 = 7 points. Meanwhile on the other team, Clemens pitches all 9 giving up 1 run and gets the loss, but still picks up QS+IP = 5+9 = 14 points.

Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
smoltz,john	3	0	55		80	3.26	357	415	376
gagne,eric	4	0	52		82	1.97	378	404	370
williams,mike	2	0	46		61	2.95	232	342	305
mesa,jose	4	0	45		75	2.99	215	355	328
guardado,eddie	1	0	45		67	2.95	235	325	299
koch,billy	11	0	44		93	3.28	358	418	390
nen,robb	6	0	43		73	2.21	295	361	330
jimenez,jose	2	0	41		73	3.57	153	307	292
percival,troy	4	0	40		56	1.93	278	320	284
urbina,ugueth	1	0	40		60	3.00	180	290	267
escobar,kelvim	5	0	38		78	4.27	172	316	303
hoffman,trevor	2	0	38		59	2.74	222	286	263
sasaki,kazuhiro	4	0	37		60	2.54	181	299	273
kim,byung-hyun	8	0	36		84	2.04	300	332	320
wagner,billy	4	0	35		75	2.52	243	285	278
benitez,armando	1	0	33		67	2.28	235	241	239
graves,danny	7	1	32		98	3.21	266	304	312
isringhausen,ja	3	0	32		65	2.49	214	254	246
acevedo,juan	1	0	28		74	2.67	134	206	221
rivera,mariano	1	0	28		46	2.74	144	206	193

The guys who REALLY pick up points are the middle relief pitchers. Romero jumps from 163 to 196 to 248 between the 3 systems. Quantrill is more pronounced from 101 to 153 to 212. Innings eater Dotel jumps 164 to 195 to 262. Scott Schoenweiss jumps from 93 to 220 to 264!

Should the difference between Johnson and Schoenweiss be this new 588 to 264, or the old 560 to 96? Despite what many think about increasing pitcher values to make them as valuable as batters, you are in fact decreasing the value of Johnson in this system. Should the middle guys often pitching in blow outs have those innings get ANY value?

Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
romero,j.c.	9	0	1	33	81	1.89	163	196	248
quantrill,paul	5	0	1	32	76	2.72	101	153	212
dotel,octavio	6	0	6	31	97	1.85	164	195	262
remlinger,mike	7	0	0	30	68	1.99	106	160	207
jones,todd	1	0	1	29	82	4.71	33	104	181
boehringer,bria	4	0	1	28	77	3.38	51	131	194
sauerbeck,scott	5	0	0	28	61	2.36	100	134	180
rincon,ricardo	1	0	1	27	56	4.18	-5	98	149
rhodes,arthur	10	0	2	25	69	2.34	132	189	224
politte,cliff	3	0	1	25	73	3.69	71	112	174
bradford,chad	4	0	2	24	75	3.12	98	126	185
rodriguez,felix	8	0	0	24	69	4.17	34	152	197
worrell,tim	8	0	0	23	72	2.25	158	149	197
kline,steve	2	0	6	21	58	3.41	92	125	165
Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
mecir,jim	6	0	1	21	67	4.29	55	130	177
timlin,mike	4	0	0	21	96	2.99	88	103	187
vizcaino,luis	5	0	5	19	81	3.00	143	142	198
groom,buddy	3	0	2	19	62	1.60	102	101	150
speier,justin	5	0	1	19	62	4.35	79	114	159
white,gabe	6	0	0	19	54	2.99	112	117	153
jackson,mike	2	0	0	19	55	3.27	40	77	126
weber,ben	7	0	7	18	78	2.54	167	173	216
stanton,mike	7	0	6	17	78	3.00	164	163	208
myers,mike	4	0	4	17	37	4.38	18	119	136
sullivan,scott	6	0	1	17	78	6.10	45	118	176
guthrie,mark	5	0	1	17	48	2.44	85	108	139
reed,steve	2	0	1	17	67	2.01	49	78	137
borbon,pedro	4	0	1	17	50	5.39	15	98	134
orosco,jessie	1	0	1	17	27	3.00	31	68	90
hammond,chris	7	0	0	17	76	0.95	166	121	176
weathers,dave	6	0	0	17	77	2.92	104	111	170
white,rick	5	0	0	17	62	4.34	34	101	148
looper,braden	2	0	13	15	86	3.14	127	156	210
veres,dave	5	0	4	15	82	3.50	60	123	182
tucker,t.j.	6	0	4	15	61	4.12	96	133	168
strickland,scot	6	0	2	15	68	3.56	32	119	165
howry,bob	3	0	0	15	68	4.22	42	75	134
king,ray	3	0	0	15	65	3.05	86	75	131
fetters,mike	3	0	0	15	55	4.09	40	75	121
venafro,mike	2	0	0	15	37	4.62	36	65	96
bottalico,ricky	0	0	0	15	27	4.65	-14	45	72
stewart,scott	4	0	17	14	64	3.09	169	201	219
karsay,steve	6	0	12	14	88	3.27	152	186	232
marte,damaso	1	0	10	14	60	2.85	122	122	159
carrara,giovann	6	0	1	13	90	3.29	99	106	176
roberts,willis	5	0	1	13	75	3.36	99	96	154
plesac,dan	3	0	1	13	36	4.24	13	76	101
donnelly,brenda	1	0	1	13	49	2.20	59	56	100
fassero,jeff	8	0	0	13	69	5.34	56	119	164
hawkins,latroy	6	0	0	13	80	2.13	152	99	161
mendoza,ramiro	8	0	4	12	91	3.45	142	144	203
almanza,armando	3	0	2	12	45	4.38	46	80	112
Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
bauer,rick	6	0	1	12	83	4.00	47	103	166
shuey,paul	8	0	1	12	68	3.31	111	123	165
grimsley,jason	4	0	1	12	71	3.92	35	83	140
ryan,b.j.	2	0	1	12	57	4.72	59	63	112
adams,terry	7	9	0	12	136	4.36	110	196	266
eyre,scott	2	2	0	12	74	4.49	44	76	134
powell,jay	3	0	0	12	49	3.48	30	66	106
almanzar,carlos	0	0	0	12	11	2.41	6	36	47
nunez,vladimir	6	0	20	11	97	3.43	150	233	272
lloyd,graeme	4	0	5	11	57	5.21	43	108	143
nelson,jeff	3	0	2	11	45	3.98	50	77	109
schoeneweis,sco	9	9	1	11	118	4.88	93	220	264
borowski,joe	4	0	1	11	95	2.74	97	80	161
spooneybarger,t	1	0	1	11	51	2.64	87	50	96
lincoln,mike	2	0	0	11	70	3.21	50	53	117
gryboski,kevin	2	0	0	11	51	3.52	52	53	98

Here's a complete listing of all pitchers ranked by the current opts system.

Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
johnson,randy	24	32	0		260	2.32	576	560	588
zito,barry	23	29	0		229	2.75	498	520	535
schilling,curt	23	32	0		259	3.23	492	550	580
martinez,pedro	20	24	0		199	2.26	458	440	459
lowe,derek	21	25	0		219	2.59	442	460	491
halladay,roy	19	29	0		239	2.94	442	480	517
Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
colon,bartolo	20	24	0		233	2.93	434	440	493
oswalt,roy	19	27	0		233	3.01	410	460	501
washburn,jarrod	18	23	0		206	3.15	388	410	447
maddux,greg	16	20	0		199	2.62	382	360	411
hudson,tim	15	29	0		238	2.99	378	440	488
gagne,eric	4	0	52		82	1.97	378	404	370
millwood,kevin	18	22	0		217	3.24	378	400	453
nomo,hideo	16	25	0		220	3.39	374	410	457
mulder,mark	19	19	0		207	3.48	374	380	435
glavine,tom	18	23	0		224	2.97	370	410	465
wells,david	19	21	0		206	3.76	360	400	444
koch,billy	11	0	44		93	3.28	358	418	390
buehrle,mark	19	25	0		239	3.58	358	440	497
smoltz,john	3	0	55		80	3.26	357	415	376
perez,odalis	15	25	0		222	3.00	346	400	452
moyer,jamie	13	22	0		230	3.32	340	350	431
morris,matt	17	23	0		210	3.43	340	400	444
rueter,kirk	14	22	0		203	3.23	320	360	411
miller,wade	15	18	0		164	3.29	318	330	359
Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
byrd,paul	17	24	0		228	3.91	318	410	467
pineiro,joel	14	20	0		194	3.25	318	340	392
mussina,mike	18	22	0		215	4.06	316	400	451
ortiz,ramon	15	24	0		217	3.77	312	390	442
kim,byung-hyun	8	0	36		84	2.04	300	332	320
ohka,tomokazu	13	21	0		192	3.18	298	340	388
reed,rick	15	18	0		188	3.78	298	330	383
lopez,rodrigo	15	18	0		196	3.58	296	330	391
ortiz,russ	14	25	0		214	3.62	296	390	437
nen,robb	6	0	43		73	2.21	295	361	330
padilla,vicente	14	23	0		206	3.28	292	370	419
rogers,kenny	13	22	0		210	3.85	290	350	411
wolf,randy	11	24	0		210	3.21	290	350	407
garcia,freddy	16	21	0		223	4.40	288	370	440
moss,damian	12	18	0		179	3.42	282	300	353
wakefield,tim	11	11	3		163	2.81	279	241	310
burnett,a.j.	12	21	0		204	3.31	278	330	393
schmidt,jason	13	17	0		185	3.45	278	300	361
percival,troy	4	0	40		56	1.93	278	320	284
Player	W	QS	SV	Hld	ip	era	opts	npts	ipts
graves,danny	7	1	32		98	3.21	266	304	312
jennings,jason	16	14	0		185	4.52	264	300	367
wood,kerry	12	23	0		213	3.67	262	350	412
haynes,jimmy	15	18	0		196	4.13	262	330	391
clement,matt	12	20	0		205	3.60	256	320	389
clemens,roger	13	16	0		180	4.35	256	290	351
weaver,jeff	11	17	2		199	3.52	252	294	371
pettitte,andy	13	12	0		134	3.29	250	250	285
leiter,al	13	20	0